Posts by Apostate Kate2

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JW's to be glorified at Holocaust event

by Apostate Kate2 in

read from the bottom up.

i sent them an email.http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20070923/news/709230304/1018/services03/news/center_for_diversity_education_brings_anne_frank_a_history_for_today_to_asheville thanks for writing kathleen.

it is helpful to recieve a variety of viewpoints on this.

Apostate Kate2

Read from the bottom up. I sent them an email. http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20070923/NEWS/709230304/1018/SERVICES03/NEWS/Center_for_Diversity_Education_brings_Anne_Frank_A_History_for_Today_to_Asheville Thanks for writing Kathleen. It is helpful to recieve a variety of viewpoints on this. I have not heard of this particular point of view. We have worked for a number of years with Diana Zientek - who does a great job of educating from a broad perspective about what happened during the Holocaust. She will be speaking at the event on the Jehovah's Witness and educating about the various targets of the nazi's . I've attached an article from the US Memorial Holocaust Museum on the Witness community. I consider them an authority - though not exhaustive - on this subject. This offers another point of view which you might find interesting. Again, thanks for writing and I hope to see you at one of the programs. Deborah Miles

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:21 PM
To: info@annefrank-wnc.org
Subject: Jehovah's Witnesses On your press release you should know that the Jehovah's Witness will not tell the entire truth. The truth is that not only did Jehovah's Witnesses not pledge allegiance to the Nazi regime, not one of them fought to free the Jews or their own people for that matter. Please take the time to explore all the links on this reputable web site; The Watchtower and Hitler The Watchtower's Nazis Conflicts
A History of Watchtower Cowardliness and Witness perseverance

A historical analysis of the Jehovah's Witnesses' during World War II concluded that they experienced extreme conflicts with Nazi Germany and probably withstood the attacks against them better than most groups. Their experience has been analyzed by a number of researchers including camp inmates and administrators who have concluded that their strong religious faith, community and social pressure to conform were all critical in helping Witnesses to withstand the Nazi assault against them. A major reason Witnesses endured was because to capitulate to the Nazis meant disfellowshipping and cutting off from what was often their only social support, their fellow Witnesses. Often the Witnesses as people showed exemplary behavior, but the Watchtower administration not uncommonly displayed immoral or deceitful behavior and even denigrated the Jews in an effort to save the German Watchtower branch. Although partly to blame for the tragedy, the Watchtower unscrupulously exploits it today to try to prove their claim of being God's only representatives on earth today.

Jerry Bergman, Ph.D Your press release; "A screening and discussion of Standing Firm will be held at 7 p.m. Tuesday, Oct. 9, at the exhibit in Biltmore Square Mall. The film examines the Jehovah's Witness community in Europe during World War II and their refusal to pledge allegiance to the Nazi regime. Consequently, these Christians were among the first victims of the Holocaust. Following the film, local educator and Jehovah's Witness Diana Zientek will discuss "Jehovah's Witness Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault." The memory of Anne Frank deserves better that to have a Jehovah's Witness speak at this event. Sincerely, Kathleen xxxxx

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Rick Ross on Court TV Jami Floyd on cults

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it's on right now.. they are getting into cult psychology with the warren jeffs trial.

of course the watchtower is not mentioned but rick ross believes wt is one.

Apostate Kate2

a cult is a cult is a cult is a cult....

different flavors same suckers

(((Dogpatch)))

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Rick Ross on Court TV Jami Floyd on cults

by Apostate Kate2 in

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it's on right now.. they are getting into cult psychology with the warren jeffs trial.

of course the watchtower is not mentioned but rick ross believes wt is one.

Apostate Kate2

It's on right now.

They are getting into cult psychology with the Warren Jeffs trial. Of course the Watchtower is not mentioned but Rick Ross believes WT is one.

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WTBTS Official Testified in the US Congress that Rutherford is Inspired

by Leolaia in

mr. goux.

Apostate Kate2

I'm in the middle of reading Russells "The Devine Plan of the Ages" (1886) and several of Rutherfords books.

Russell was genuine. He was a pastor. IMHO he started to overthink and over anylize the Bible to the point that he was influenced by Miller's end of the world predictions and focus on the Apocalypse. He otherwise seems quite sane and fairly intellectual. (I'm only 1/3 through the book)

Rutherford was a freaking delusional psychotic. He started the craziest things. Made the most insane unsubstantiated claims that anyone can read and see what a psycho he was. For example; he claims that a machine was invented (1921) in his book "Government" that could harness all the power the world needs from the ocean but the evil US government was keeping this from the world. He said that "women could cook without the intense heat of an oven" (some special type of energy from the ocean?) The fact is technology is just now trying to do this, especially in UK but it just isn't cost effective to put into wide scale use yet. In the beginning of the book he claims that this is not the opinion of man but of God. Gee you would have thought that God would know about the super ocean energy machine issues...I should start a thread and write down all these insane claims as I go along. I had never heard about this stuff before. Had to get some books off ebay, some are reprints.

Russell slowly veered from acceptable historic Christian doctrine and slowly rep laced grace. He brought heaven down to earth instead of earth to heaven. How Rutherford ever became the leader and people followed him is a mystery to me...Rutherford's writing and grammar is very uneducated and crude compared to Russell. Rutherford started yakking about Beth Sarim in1920s "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" and claimed Jehovah was well pleased with him. 1926 he's still yakking and waiting for the "fauthful men of old" to rise from the dead. PSYCHO

I think the Government book may have been the beginning of the JWs cannot join military as he states again 1926. Rutherford asks; " is there any just cause to go to war?" How about the genocide of 6 millions Jews Mr Rutherford! Would that count!

How anyone could possibly believe this mentally ill man was inspired I'll never understand.

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Why I have issues with Christianity

by bigwilly in

aside from the jw bullshit of course.. so, i'm at work and taking phone calls as is my job.

a customer called up looking for pricing and information about some material and whether or not home despot sells equal quality product.

being the honest (for a salesman at least :p) person that i am, i answered her questions to the best of my ability.. after this was done, she asked me what my name was.

Apostate Kate2

In my mind and heart I see a complete contrast between religion and one who truly has decided to follow Jesus and all his teachings. He was gentle, sensitive and loving. He communicated with people in a way that was never confrontational except for the self righteous religious people.

My faith is manifest in my life as caring and loving as many people as I can. When ASKED why I will tell them because I follow Jesus and this is what Jesus would have done.

The problem today is people are followers. If they follow a Christian leader, televangelist, pastor or anyone and anything other than the simple beauty of Jesus they may act in ways that are rude, even hateful. That is so sad.

We have a mega church in my town that does not have 1 charity. The food ministry is provided by a dedicated older man who is going blind and his dedicated wife. they feed the drug addicts, the alcoholics, the homeless, the mentally ill and their children when no one else gives a dam abouth them. His facility is too small and very old. He has a crew of sweet poor followers of Jesus helping him cook and distribute food all week.

It's about who they are following. In the mega church the beautiful people have peppy music and nice cars in the parking lot. They have plush cushiony seats, they follow the clean charismatic humorous pastor. The food ministry has old wobbly plastic chair and a beat up old man leading it. It is human nature to not want to be out of your comfort zone.

In other words; the man leading the food ministry does not have time to bother people on the telephone, he is too busy going about his way. The megachurch people have the idea that you should be like them. They mean well but are a little misguided.

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When was Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God first used as...

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first used as a study book on thursday nights?

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Apostate Kate2

It is strange piecing your life together via Watchtower books.

What about the pink Paradise lost book? It was one for kids. When was it published and used as a child's home study book?

That was the very first book I "studied"

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When was Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God first used as...

by Apostate Kate2 in

first used as a study book on thursday nights?

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Apostate Kate2

Thanks for that information Blondie. I am in the process of writing about my JW experience. My past was so scattered we moved around more than a Gypsy. My memory of it is even worse. If this is what they did then that means I was 7 years old when the death of my spirit began. My mom kept saying I was much older but I will never forget how excited the grown ups were when this book was announced it was to be studied.

I remember staring at the time line charts pages where the world ended in 1975. I recently bought the book on ebay and distinctly recall reading over and over from page 29 that "six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975"

When you're a kid you believe with all your heart that the grown ups are telling the truth. From that day I lived in terror of what was to come.

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